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This is Reem's Final Tribal Council Thread.

All other Jurors should remain in their own threads. Final 3, remember... this is not for you to address each other, but to talk to Reem. In-fighting amongst the Final 3 should be reserved for the Live Final Tribal Council on Sunday.

Reem, you have until Saturday at 8c/9e to post your statements/questions to the Final 3. Remember not to take up too much of their time as they have 9 other jurors to get to. Please no listing or questions requiring novels for answers. You should post all of your statements/questions in your opening post in this thread. There is a live Final Council on Sunday where you will get to address everyone live about the statements they have made as well as ask follow ups.
 

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Hey, y'all!

So I want to first start by saying congratulations! You guys represented Charlie's MILFs, I mean angels, very well. I'm so proud of all 3 of you truly. I'm going to address all 3 of you individually with questions and comments to help solidify my vote. Since being on the jury I have learned many perspectives of the other members on ponderosa with me, and considering I played with all 3 of you I know your games a bit better than some of the other jurors. So my questions will be based on altering those perspectives so the jurors can see what I saw in each of you 3, especially in regards to the three aspects of the game that I feel are important: social, strategic, and physical/mental (challenge based).

Michelle,

I'm going to start with you. I knew back on Old Atlasova that I was going to have to partner with you or rival you at some point in this game, and I am grateful that it was the former. Jac and I had you pegged as a threat early on in that tribe. When we swapped I was very much aware of how the Jac votes went about from your side, but I respected the attempted play and loved that I was able to bond with you. I probably would have cut you later on down the road (and I expect it the feeling was mutual), but it was certainly fun while it lasted. I was rooting for you from the sidelines the whole time, and if I couldn't be up there from FAY I am so glad it's you. For what it's worth the middle fingers were for each person who voted me out, and the kissy face was for you.

The general perception of you was that you were under the radar the whole time using me as a meat shield as far as strategy is concerned. Your social game is obvious amongst the jurors as far as I can see, but social game is only one aspect of this game. So my questions/concerns are as follows:

1) I would love more elaboration behind some of the strategical moves we made together, especially post merge as that's when all the players reunited, as well as the ones you made after I departed. How did you manipulate other players to get your goal met?

2) Was this your ideal final 3? Please explain why or why not.

3) You talked about your strategy going into the game in your opening comments. Do you feel you were successful in that, or did you have to change your strategy?

4) What would you consider to be your biggest move in the game?

5) What would you consider to be your biggest regret in the game?

6) Another perception since coming to ponderosa is that I ran the game and our alliance of MILFs. Explain why this is/is not the case from your angle and your reasoning to work with me after knowing I was a threat.

I will end with wishing you the best of luck, because I know the other jurors probably won't be as kind. I'm still rooting for you #FAY

Gillian,

We've been together since day 2 or so, and you've come a LONG way. I am so proud of you! I had no doubt you'd be at the final tribal council. My questions to you are similar to what I asked Michelle, with changes being made on what affect your game play has had on the jury. The perception was that you were a goat, and the comment you made to me the night of Matty's dragging comment was (and I'm paraphrasing, as I didn't keep the chat log), "I don't mind being dragged to the finals if it gets me there." Or something similar to that effect. The jurors felt I was the one you were attached to.

1) Why do you think the perception of you as a goat came to be?

2) What was your biggest move in the game?

3) What was your biggest regret in the game?

4) You made the comment that you hated you missed the idol play time when I was booted. I told you on Matua that you were going to need to make a move to rid the notion of being my goat, whether that was to vote me out or save me. I personally feel that not playing your idol on me was one of the biggest moves you could do. Why would you want to save such a perceived threat in the game, especially after being linked to said threat?

5) What was your game play strategy coming into this game? Was it successful, why or why not?

6) What was your ideal final 3? Explain your reasoning, and how you would have won/lost.

I wish you only the best in life, and I am glad to have gotten to know you! I shared many laughs with you, and some long days and nights. I will always have those memories. Good luck, G!

Charlie,

I will always cherish our game of "guess which vote was ours" and the savagery we exchanged; however, I'll be honest I viewed you as another number. It seems the perception of the jury was that you were "forgettable." I have to echo that sentiment, because I remember only a handful of exchanges we had. Your opening statement took me a bit by surprise in the sharing of power portion because of this. With that said, you were always still the charlie of charlie's MILFs for me. I was rooting for you in those challenges and am super proud of your newfound challenge beast status. I hope you were able to pick up on the charlie's angels emojis I threw at you.

My questions to you are going to focus on your strategy portion of the game, as well as your social game.

1) You said in a tribal that you were a social player, and this was played up tremendously in your opening remarks. If this were true why do you feel that that most found you forgettable? Take this opportunity to change our minds.

2) What was your biggest move in the game, as far as the strategy portion of this game? How did you manipulate the votes to your advantage?

3) What was your biggest regret in the game, if any, and what would you have done differently?

4) You obviously played into my hands with my manipulation of you. Tell me of a time that you manipulated someone else for a long term plan.

5) Was this your ideal final 3? Why/Why not?

6) What was your game going into this, and do you believe you were successful in executing that? Did you have to change your strategy at all? Elaboration, please.

Good luck, charlie! We still have to finish our game and catch up on RuPaul!



To all three of you, I cannot stress enough how awesome it is to see my allies sitting in the top 3 spots. I still wish it were me, but I think we all know at this point I'd have swept. So I have no hard feelings towards any of you, and wish you all the best of luck!
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Gillian,

We've been together since day 2 or so, and you've come a LONG way. I am so proud of you! I had no doubt you'd be at the final tribal council. My questions to you are similar to what I asked Michelle, with changes being made on what affect your game play has had on the jury. The perception was that you were a goat, and the comment you made to me the night of Matty's dragging comment was (and I'm paraphrasing, as I didn't keep the chat log), "I don't mind being dragged to the finals if it gets me there." Or something similar to that effect. The jurors felt I was the one you were attached to.

1) Why do you think the perception of you as a goat came to be?
everyone thought u and i were close and u were the one calling the shots but i beg to differ as i was trying to call shots and was ramrodded usually!!!! i was after jaq after learning she was throwing my name and i told u i wanted her gone and it happened. i let others do the talking most of the time!!!! especially u!! i knew u were in tight with a lot f people and i was still trusting of u!!! u were my #1 and i put my faith in u a lot!!! but others saw this as me being goated!!! newsflash people i was not a goat!!!

2) What was your biggest move in the game?
my biggest move was the eric vote!!! i tried so many damn times to get him out and after your boot a fire was lit!!!! i had enough of peoples perception!!! i was proving myself and then the lauren vote as well!!! i was done with that trio!!! that had to be stopped!!! and i know u wanted chris out and i kept saying eric as he was the bugger threat and he was!!!! so when i finally got that to happen i was over the moon!!!

3) What was your biggest regret in the game?
biggest regret i would of said up till just a nit ago not saving u but rn i am a little mad at u for telling people about my idol so maybe thats my biggest regret telling i had it!!! cause u went and told michelle and god knows who else and michelle told charlie and ron!!! and i clearly told u not to tell anyone so yes probably that i told u i gad the idol!!!


4) You made the comment that you hated you missed the idol play time when I was booted. I told you on Matua that you were going to need to make a move to rid the notion of being my goat, whether that was to vote me out or save me. I personally feel that not playing your idol on me was one of the biggest moves you could do. Why would you want to save such a perceived threat in the game, especially after being linked to said threat?
i wanted to keep u as i said i trusted u 110% whicj i can clearly see was a mistake!! i never lied to u and i gave u info and u used it against me!!

5) What was your game play strategy coming into this game? Was it successful, why or why not?
to lay low and be eveyones friend and then when the time was right then i would strike!!! cause who would suspect a granny to do anything!!!! so yes i think i succeeded in this strategy. also i didnt want to get to upset about anything!!! susies vote i was a little upset and tried to play it cool but some people saw how upset i was!! but for the most part the only other vote that made me mad was yours!!!


6) What was your ideal final 3? Explain your reasoning, and how you would have won/lost.
well i was looking at u and susie and we had agreed but i also knew that was a threat so i was thinking i should cut u at some point even mentioned it in my confessional i thought once i got closer to the end maybe cutting michelle was what i should do as i saw her as a threat and i saw everyone at f5 as a threat because chris had votes locked!!! and ron was playing an underhanded game and though people claimed to not like him he could win and the charlie was winning immunity and was so damn lovable i could see him getting votes and michelle was social and appearently underhanded as well. i tried to play an honest game which i mostly did and yes i had to lie to a few people about a vote here and there which sucked but everything i told people was true and i didnt make up lies or decieve people to make them like me or keep me around!!!


I wish you only the best in life, and I am glad to have gotten to know you! I shared many laughs with you, and some long days and nights. I will always have those memories. Good luck, G!



To all three of you, I cannot stress enough how awesome it is to see my allies sitting in the top 3 spots. I still wish it were me, but I think we all know at this point I'd have swept. So I have no hard feelings towards any of you, and wish you all the
 

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Probst informed me to shorten my questions. So, Michelle and Charlie, you guys have 4 less!

Michelle:
1) What would you consider to be your biggest move and regret in the game?

2) Another perception since coming to ponderosa is that I ran the game and our alliance of MILFs. Explain why this is/is not the case from your angle and your reasoning to work with me after knowing I was a threat.

Charlie:
1) You said in a tribal that you were a social player, and this was played up tremendously in your opening remarks. If this were true why do you feel that that most found you forgettable? Take this opportunity to change our minds.

2) You obviously played into my hands with my manipulation of you. Tell me of a time that you manipulated someone else for a long term plan.
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Gillian wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:00:48 pm Gillian,

We've been together since day 2 or so, and you've come a LONG way. I am so proud of you! I had no doubt you'd be at the final tribal council. My questions to you are similar to what I asked Michelle, with changes being made on what affect your game play has had on the jury. The perception was that you were a goat, and the comment you made to me the night of Matty's dragging comment was (and I'm paraphrasing, as I didn't keep the chat log), "I don't mind being dragged to the finals if it gets me there." Or something similar to that effect. The jurors felt I was the one you were attached to.

1) Why do you think the perception of you as a goat came to be?
everyone thought u and i were close and u were the one calling the shots but i beg to differ as i was trying to call shots and was ramrodded usually!!!! i was after jaq after learning she was throwing my name and i told u i wanted her gone and it happened. i let others do the talking most of the time!!!! especially u!! i knew u were in tight with a lot f people and i was still trusting of u!!! u were my #1 and i put my faith in u a lot!!! but others saw this as me being goated!!! newsflash people i was not a goat!!!

2) What was your biggest move in the game?
my biggest move was the eric vote!!! i tried so many damn times to get him out and after your boot a fire was lit!!!! i had enough of peoples perception!!! i was proving myself and then the lauren vote as well!!! i was done with that trio!!! that had to be stopped!!! and i know u wanted chris out and i kept saying eric as he was the bugger threat and he was!!!! so when i finally got that to happen i was over the moon!!!

3) What was your biggest regret in the game?
biggest regret i would of said up till just a nit ago not saving u but rn i am a little mad at u for telling people about my idol so maybe thats my biggest regret telling i had it!!! cause u went and told michelle and god knows who else and michelle told charlie and ron!!! and i clearly told u not to tell anyone so yes probably that i told u i gad the idol!!!


4) You made the comment that you hated you missed the idol play time when I was booted. I told you on Matua that you were going to need to make a move to rid the notion of being my goat, whether that was to vote me out or save me. I personally feel that not playing your idol on me was one of the biggest moves you could do. Why would you want to save such a perceived threat in the game, especially after being linked to said threat?
i wanted to keep u as i said i trusted u 110% whicj i can clearly see was a mistake!! i never lied to u and i gave u info and u used it against me!!

5) What was your game play strategy coming into this game? Was it successful, why or why not?
to lay low and be eveyones friend and then when the time was right then i would strike!!! cause who would suspect a granny to do anything!!!! so yes i think i succeeded in this strategy. also i didnt want to get to upset about anything!!! susies vote i was a little upset and tried to play it cool but some people saw how upset i was!! but for the most part the only other vote that made me mad was yours!!!


6) What was your ideal final 3? Explain your reasoning, and how you would have won/lost.
well i was looking at u and susie and we had agreed but i also knew that was a threat so i was thinking i should cut u at some point even mentioned it in my confessional i thought once i got closer to the end maybe cutting michelle was what i should do as i saw her as a threat and i saw everyone at f5 as a threat because chris had votes locked!!! and ron was playing an underhanded game and though people claimed to not like him he could win and the charlie was winning immunity and was so damn lovable i could see him getting votes and michelle was social and appearently underhanded as well. i tried to play an honest game which i mostly did and yes i had to lie to a few people about a vote here and there which sucked but everything i told people was true and i didnt make up lies or decieve people to make them like me or keep me around!!!


I wish you only the best in life, and I am glad to have gotten to know you! I shared many laughs with you, and some long days and nights. I will always have those memories. Good luck, G!



To all three of you, I cannot stress enough how awesome it is to see my allies sitting in the top 3 spots. I still wish it were me, but I think we all know at this point I'd have swept. So I have no hard feelings towards any of you, and wish you all the
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Reem wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:23:14 pm
Gillian wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:00:48 pm Gillian,

We've been together since day 2 or so, and you've come a LONG way. I am so proud of you! I had no doubt you'd be at the final tribal council. My questions to you are similar to what I asked Michelle, with changes being made on what affect your game play has had on the jury. The perception was that you were a goat, and the comment you made to me the night of Matty's dragging comment was (and I'm paraphrasing, as I didn't keep the chat log), "I don't mind being dragged to the finals if it gets me there." Or something similar to that effect. The jurors felt I was the one you were attached to.

1) Why do you think the perception of you as a goat came to be?
everyone thought u and i were close and u were the one calling the shots but i beg to differ as i was trying to call shots and was ramrodded usually!!!! i was after jaq after learning she was throwing my name and i told u i wanted her gone and it happened. i let others do the talking most of the time!!!! especially u!! i knew u were in tight with a lot f people and i was still trusting of u!!! u were my #1 and i put my faith in u a lot!!! but others saw this as me being goated!!! newsflash people i was not a goat!!!

2) What was your biggest move in the game?
my biggest move was the eric vote!!! i tried so many damn times to get him out and after your boot a fire was lit!!!! i had enough of peoples perception!!! i was proving myself and then the lauren vote as well!!! i was done with that trio!!! that had to be stopped!!! and i know u wanted chris out and i kept saying eric as he was the bugger threat and he was!!!! so when i finally got that to happen i was over the moon!!!

3) What was your biggest regret in the game?
biggest regret i would of said up till just a nit ago not saving u but rn i am a little mad at u for telling people about my idol so maybe thats my biggest regret telling i had it!!! cause u went and told michelle and god knows who else and michelle told charlie and ron!!! and i clearly told u not to tell anyone so yes probably that i told u i gad the idol!!!


4) You made the comment that you hated you missed the idol play time when I was booted. I told you on Matua that you were going to need to make a move to rid the notion of being my goat, whether that was to vote me out or save me. I personally feel that not playing your idol on me was one of the biggest moves you could do. Why would you want to save such a perceived threat in the game, especially after being linked to said threat?
i wanted to keep u as i said i trusted u 110% whicj i can clearly see was a mistake!! i never lied to u and i gave u info and u used it against me!!

5) What was your game play strategy coming into this game? Was it successful, why or why not?
to lay low and be eveyones friend and then when the time was right then i would strike!!! cause who would suspect a granny to do anything!!!! so yes i think i succeeded in this strategy. also i didnt want to get to upset about anything!!! susies vote i was a little upset and tried to play it cool but some people saw how upset i was!! but for the most part the only other vote that made me mad was yours!!!


6) What was your ideal final 3? Explain your reasoning, and how you would have won/lost.
well i was looking at u and susie and we had agreed but i also knew that was a threat so i was thinking i should cut u at some point even mentioned it in my confessional i thought once i got closer to the end maybe cutting michelle was what i should do as i saw her as a threat and i saw everyone at f5 as a threat because chris had votes locked!!! and ron was playing an underhanded game and though people claimed to not like him he could win and the charlie was winning immunity and was so damn lovable i could see him getting votes and michelle was social and appearently underhanded as well. i tried to play an honest game which i mostly did and yes i had to lie to a few people about a vote here and there which sucked but everything i told people was true and i didnt make up lies or decieve people to make them like me or keep me around!!!


I wish you only the best in life, and I am glad to have gotten to know you! I shared many laughs with you, and some long days and nights. I will always have those memories. Good luck, G!



To all three of you, I cannot stress enough how awesome it is to see my allies sitting in the top 3 spots. I still wish it were me, but I think we all know at this point I'd have swept. So I have no hard feelings towards any of you, and wish you all the
Thank you!
mhm!! any other questions or anything i can clarify?

signed <img src="images/smilies/bananalama.gif" alt="bananalama"/> (the goat) :broken:
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Gillian wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:29:58 pm
Reem wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:23:14 pm
Gillian wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:00:48 pm Gillian,

We've been together since day 2 or so, and you've come a LONG way. I am so proud of you! I had no doubt you'd be at the final tribal council. My questions to you are similar to what I asked Michelle, with changes being made on what affect your game play has had on the jury. The perception was that you were a goat, and the comment you made to me the night of Matty's dragging comment was (and I'm paraphrasing, as I didn't keep the chat log), "I don't mind being dragged to the finals if it gets me there." Or something similar to that effect. The jurors felt I was the one you were attached to.

1) Why do you think the perception of you as a goat came to be?
everyone thought u and i were close and u were the one calling the shots but i beg to differ as i was trying to call shots and was ramrodded usually!!!! i was after jaq after learning she was throwing my name and i told u i wanted her gone and it happened. i let others do the talking most of the time!!!! especially u!! i knew u were in tight with a lot f people and i was still trusting of u!!! u were my #1 and i put my faith in u a lot!!! but others saw this as me being goated!!! newsflash people i was not a goat!!!

2) What was your biggest move in the game?
my biggest move was the eric vote!!! i tried so many damn times to get him out and after your boot a fire was lit!!!! i had enough of peoples perception!!! i was proving myself and then the lauren vote as well!!! i was done with that trio!!! that had to be stopped!!! and i know u wanted chris out and i kept saying eric as he was the bugger threat and he was!!!! so when i finally got that to happen i was over the moon!!!

3) What was your biggest regret in the game?
biggest regret i would of said up till just a nit ago not saving u but rn i am a little mad at u for telling people about my idol so maybe thats my biggest regret telling i had it!!! cause u went and told michelle and god knows who else and michelle told charlie and ron!!! and i clearly told u not to tell anyone so yes probably that i told u i gad the idol!!!


4) You made the comment that you hated you missed the idol play time when I was booted. I told you on Matua that you were going to need to make a move to rid the notion of being my goat, whether that was to vote me out or save me. I personally feel that not playing your idol on me was one of the biggest moves you could do. Why would you want to save such a perceived threat in the game, especially after being linked to said threat?
i wanted to keep u as i said i trusted u 110% whicj i can clearly see was a mistake!! i never lied to u and i gave u info and u used it against me!!

5) What was your game play strategy coming into this game? Was it successful, why or why not?
to lay low and be eveyones friend and then when the time was right then i would strike!!! cause who would suspect a granny to do anything!!!! so yes i think i succeeded in this strategy. also i didnt want to get to upset about anything!!! susies vote i was a little upset and tried to play it cool but some people saw how upset i was!! but for the most part the only other vote that made me mad was yours!!!


6) What was your ideal final 3? Explain your reasoning, and how you would have won/lost.
well i was looking at u and susie and we had agreed but i also knew that was a threat so i was thinking i should cut u at some point even mentioned it in my confessional i thought once i got closer to the end maybe cutting michelle was what i should do as i saw her as a threat and i saw everyone at f5 as a threat because chris had votes locked!!! and ron was playing an underhanded game and though people claimed to not like him he could win and the charlie was winning immunity and was so damn lovable i could see him getting votes and michelle was social and appearently underhanded as well. i tried to play an honest game which i mostly did and yes i had to lie to a few people about a vote here and there which sucked but everything i told people was true and i didnt make up lies or decieve people to make them like me or keep me around!!!


I wish you only the best in life, and I am glad to have gotten to know you! I shared many laughs with you, and some long days and nights. I will always have those memories. Good luck, G!



To all three of you, I cannot stress enough how awesome it is to see my allies sitting in the top 3 spots. I still wish it were me, but I think we all know at this point I'd have swept. So I have no hard feelings towards any of you, and wish you all the
Thank you!
mhm!! any other questions or anything i can clarify?

signed <img src="images/smilies/bananalama.gif" alt="bananalama"/> (the goat) :broken:
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Reem wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:36:32 pm Charlie,

I will always cherish our game of "guess which vote was ours" and the savagery we exchanged; however, I'll be honest I viewed you as another number. It seems the perception of the jury was that you were "forgettable." I have to echo that sentiment, because I remember only a handful of exchanges we had. Your opening statement took me a bit by surprise in the sharing of power portion because of this. With that said, you were always still the charlie of charlie's MILFs for me. I was rooting for you in those challenges and am super proud of your newfound challenge beast status. I hope you were able to pick up on the charlie's angels emojis I threw at you.

My questions to you are going to focus on your strategy portion of the game, as well as your social game.

1) You said in a tribal that you were a social player, and this was played up tremendously in your opening remarks. If this were true why do you feel that that most found you forgettable? Take this opportunity to change our minds.

2) What was your biggest move in the game, as far as the strategy portion of this game? How did you manipulate the votes to your advantage?

3) What was your biggest regret in the game, if any, and what would you have done differently?

4) You obviously played into my hands with my manipulation of you. Tell me of a time that you manipulated someone else for a long term plan.

5) Was this your ideal final 3? Why/Why not?

6) What was your game going into this, and do you believe you were successful in executing that? Did you have to change your strategy at all? Elaboration, please.

Good luck, charlie! We still have to finish our game and catch up on RuPaul!



To all three of you, I cannot stress enough how awesome it is to see my allies sitting in the top 3 spots. I still wish it were me, but I think we all know at this point I'd have swept. So I have no hard feelings towards any of you, and wish you all the best of luck!
1. Wow I am very glad that you shared this bit of knowledge with me. I am surprised to hear it but I said in my answer to Ron I was coming to this final tribal to learn the most I have yet in this game! Forgettable isn't something that gets ascribed to me often. I tried to make the social connection with people that I knew people would respond to. With you and Lauren it was being devious and cracking jokes whereas for Gill and Randy and Michelle it was deep conversations and a lot of self-reflection. Chris and I had huge conversations about everything and anything and I always made sure to check in on everyone else and ask more questions about them. I listened a lot and maybe my personality didn't come through as much as I thought it did.

But I did always consider that my perspective was wrong. I got a little too confident at the end of the game it would appear as far as this tribal council is going, but in the early game I was always considering the possibility that I was wrong about the social connections I had formed which was why I needed to keep so many options open. There was always a back up plan with the other alliances I had available to me even if I was most loyal to Charlie's Angels because I thought it served me the best.

2. The turning point for my game was Devens, so many were on Chris and you almost flipped the vote but I made sure that vote stayed strong, I told everyone to trust me and I was confidence that everyone who I was aligned to (except Chris who never did vote with me). I had to give up on the strategy of displacing the source of my ideas in order to manage threat level and instead be straightforward about what I wanted to happen in the vote. And I had to admit that I was sure of the votes which could have easily exposed how tight my alliances were with Ron and Matty if you had given me more credence as a threat.

3. I would have taken more ownership of my moves in the game. I thought not bragging about my successes the morning after the votes in the end game was critical at avoiding a target on my back. But I should have been more confident in my challenge abilities and gone from a little bold to super bold during that time since I ripped through to the end anyway.

4. Ron Chris and Matty were hugely manipulated by me in this game. I was not loyal to Chris from Day 1 and he believed me to be up until I voted him out. He was a threat to me and he was directly responsible for fucking up my plans at time which meant I was always going to get him out. I touted us as Parvati and Amanda but he was always going to be my Alexis or Natalie. Ron I insisted I was loyal to no matter how many times I ignored his plans and ideas. He also went the entire game believing I was loyal to him. Matty confronted me about a blindside plan that I had made with Michelle against him and I talked my way out of it turning it into a Final 2 deal.

You were the only person who manipulated me more than the opposite in this game and that's why I didn't tell you when you were going home. I had to let it happen because I knew you were the biggest threat to win. But I think I did a good job of using you while you were alive in the game. I told some of your secrets to people to strengthen bonds with the boys, I learned from you, I built you up as a threat whenever possible. I did love you more than you loved me but that's something that happens in life and I was always prepared to lose you anyway.

5. This was my ideal final 3. For one episode my ideal final 3 was with Ron and Gillian and I wished I had listened to that voice. But I firmly believed that Chris or Ron had engineered Mattygate, not Michelle. I should have suspected Michelle more for that vote especially since I knew she had big influence over Aurora. I still do think I edge her out overall when we consider the end game. But in hindsight I would have taken Ron.

6. My strategy going into this game was to be the sweet, adorable, harmless guy who was secretly fucking up all the plans underneath the surface. This is what I said in my interview and I absolutely intended to play this strategy coming into the game. When I got into the game however I wasn't as bold as I thought I would be. I think I would have followed up to that promise if Old Taraku had been able to vote. But when the swap happened and the girls explained what had happen I was terrified. The concept of copying and pasting chats if you'll remember telling me about was something that hit me hugely. It definitely scared me further under the radar in the game. I didn't end being the person who could make a last minute plan switch. I became the person who protects alliances and makes sure the vote goes as planned. I got the heat off of Ron and Chris on numerous occasions in order to ensure that my back up final 3 was always going to be intact. I was responsible for keeping the Devens vote as planned. I made sure the person who went home was the person the most likely to beat me in a challenge or vote me out. I still think my game included chaos because of the rumors and drama that I was apart of, but after the Devens vote I marched to the end in the center of the war huddle. My shields got picked away, I pushed people out to keep only those most loyal near me, and I made a difficult decision at the end on who to bring with me inside the castle. But it was my protective huddle and a blow never hit me in this game.
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Charlie wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:09:23 pm
Reem wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:36:32 pm Charlie,

I will always cherish our game of "guess which vote was ours" and the savagery we exchanged; however, I'll be honest I viewed you as another number. It seems the perception of the jury was that you were "forgettable." I have to echo that sentiment, because I remember only a handful of exchanges we had. Your opening statement took me a bit by surprise in the sharing of power portion because of this. With that said, you were always still the charlie of charlie's MILFs for me. I was rooting for you in those challenges and am super proud of your newfound challenge beast status. I hope you were able to pick up on the charlie's angels emojis I threw at you.

My questions to you are going to focus on your strategy portion of the game, as well as your social game.

1) You said in a tribal that you were a social player, and this was played up tremendously in your opening remarks. If this were true why do you feel that that most found you forgettable? Take this opportunity to change our minds.

2) What was your biggest move in the game, as far as the strategy portion of this game? How did you manipulate the votes to your advantage?

3) What was your biggest regret in the game, if any, and what would you have done differently?

4) You obviously played into my hands with my manipulation of you. Tell me of a time that you manipulated someone else for a long term plan.

5) Was this your ideal final 3? Why/Why not?

6) What was your game going into this, and do you believe you were successful in executing that? Did you have to change your strategy at all? Elaboration, please.

Good luck, charlie! We still have to finish our game and catch up on RuPaul!



To all three of you, I cannot stress enough how awesome it is to see my allies sitting in the top 3 spots. I still wish it were me, but I think we all know at this point I'd have swept. So I have no hard feelings towards any of you, and wish you all the best of luck!
1. Wow I am very glad that you shared this bit of knowledge with me. I am surprised to hear it but I said in my answer to Ron I was coming to this final tribal to learn the most I have yet in this game! Forgettable isn't something that gets ascribed to me often. I tried to make the social connection with people that I knew people would respond to. With you and Lauren it was being devious and cracking jokes whereas for Gill and Randy and Michelle it was deep conversations and a lot of self-reflection. Chris and I had huge conversations about everything and anything and I always made sure to check in on everyone else and ask more questions about them. I listened a lot and maybe my personality didn't come through as much as I thought it did.

But I did always consider that my perspective was wrong. I got a little too confident at the end of the game it would appear as far as this tribal council is going, but in the early game I was always considering the possibility that I was wrong about the social connections I had formed which was why I needed to keep so many options open. There was always a back up plan with the other alliances I had available to me even if I was most loyal to Charlie's Angels because I thought it served me the best.

2. The turning point for my game was Devens, so many were on Chris and you almost flipped the vote but I made sure that vote stayed strong, I told everyone to trust me and I was confidence that everyone who I was aligned to (except Chris who never did vote with me). I had to give up on the strategy of displacing the source of my ideas in order to manage threat level and instead be straightforward about what I wanted to happen in the vote. And I had to admit that I was sure of the votes which could have easily exposed how tight my alliances were with Ron and Matty if you had given me more credence as a threat.

3. I would have taken more ownership of my moves in the game. I thought not bragging about my successes the morning after the votes in the end game was critical at avoiding a target on my back. But I should have been more confident in my challenge abilities and gone from a little bold to super bold during that time since I ripped through to the end anyway.

4. Ron Chris and Matty were hugely manipulated by me in this game. I was not loyal to Chris from Day 1 and he believed me to be up until I voted him out. He was a threat to me and he was directly responsible for fucking up my plans at time which meant I was always going to get him out. I touted us as Parvati and Amanda but he was always going to be my Alexis or Natalie. Ron I insisted I was loyal to no matter how many times I ignored his plans and ideas. He also went the entire game believing I was loyal to him. Matty confronted me about a blindside plan that I had made with Michelle against him and I talked my way out of it turning it into a Final 2 deal.

You were the only person who manipulated me more than the opposite in this game and that's why I didn't tell you when you were going home. I had to let it happen because I knew you were the biggest threat to win. But I think I did a good job of using you while you were alive in the game. I told some of your secrets to people to strengthen bonds with the boys, I learned from you, I built you up as a threat whenever possible. I did love you more than you loved me but that's something that happens in life and I was always prepared to lose you anyway.

5. This was my ideal final 3. For one episode my ideal final 3 was with Ron and Gillian and I wished I had listened to that voice. But I firmly believed that Chris or Ron had engineered Mattygate, not Michelle. I should have suspected Michelle more for that vote especially since I knew she had big influence over Aurora. I still do think I edge her out overall when we consider the end game. But in hindsight I would have taken Ron.

6. My strategy going into this game was to be the sweet, adorable, harmless guy who was secretly fucking up all the plans underneath the surface. This is what I said in my interview and I absolutely intended to play this strategy coming into the game. When I got into the game however I wasn't as bold as I thought I would be. I think I would have followed up to that promise if Old Taraku had been able to vote. But when the swap happened and the girls explained what had happen I was terrified. The concept of copying and pasting chats if you'll remember telling me about was something that hit me hugely. It definitely scared me further under the radar in the game. I didn't end being the person who could make a last minute plan switch. I became the person who protects alliances and makes sure the vote goes as planned. I got the heat off of Ron and Chris on numerous occasions in order to ensure that my back up final 3 was always going to be intact. I was responsible for keeping the Devens vote as planned. I made sure the person who went home was the person the most likely to beat me in a challenge or vote me out. I still think my game included chaos because of the rumors and drama that I was apart of, but after the Devens vote I marched to the end in the center of the war huddle. My shields got picked away, I pushed people out to keep only those most loyal near me, and I made a difficult decision at the end on who to bring with me inside the castle. But it was my protective huddle and a blow never hit me in this game.
Thank you for your honesty, Charlie! Good luck! icon_bigboss :angel: :angel: :angel:
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1) What would you consider to be your biggest move and regret in the game?

My biggest move in the game was deciding to vote out Aurora instead of you. I believe I was the first person to bring it to your attention that Aurora was planning on flipping the votes, and it was because of my quick decision to do that that we were able to rally up a resistance. It was because of that decision in the game that I was able to cement myself in the relationships with the people I most wanted to go to the end with - Gillian, Susie, Charlie, and you. Had I not made that decision, I do not see my game lasting nearly this long.

My biggest regret in the game was trying to vote you out before the swap. Well, I don’t regret the vote per se, but the fact that it was hasty and not well-executed. It gave the impression that I was not a loyal person, and was an extra hurdle for me to overcome. It also placed a big target on my back, as I appeared to be part of the dangerous Aurora + Lauren trio and nobody wanted all three of us to make it to merge. If I had known for sure that you all were really voting Jac, and that Jac wouldn’t play an idol, it would have been a different story and I would not have this particular regret to live with because I would have voted with you. It was just a bad read of the situation all around.

2) Another perception since coming to ponderosa is that I ran the game and our alliance of MILFs. Explain why this is/is not the case from your angle and your reasoning to work with me after knowing I was a threat.

There are a million reasons why I worked with you, the biggest being that I truly trusted you. You made me feel comfortable giving you game information, because you gave me game information in return. I think that that was the magic of your social game--giving people the right information, in enough quantities that they would be willing to give you information back. There is no denying that you had a large hand in running the game and our alliance, as evidenced by the fact that I would come to you for advice about game strategy regularly. However, as much as I needed you, you also needed me. We were like a pair of gears, taking information from around the tribe and putting it together until we were able to form a cohesive and effective strategy. With only one gear, you would have missed the full picture. Multiple times I was able to warn you that people--Matty, Ron, Aurora, Lauren--were coming after you, and because of that timely information we were able to avoid it. Similarly, you told me when people were talking about voting me out, and kept me updated on things that happened after I would go to bed at night. You were an incredible player in your own right, but I strongly believe our relationship had a symbiosis to it that benefitted both of our games to the point where neither of us would have gotten as far without the other. I knew you would always win against me in the final 3, but I also knew that you would always be a much bigger target than me, so I was okay playing second fiddle to you.
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Michelle wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:30:47 pm 1) What would you consider to be your biggest move and regret in the game?

My biggest move in the game was deciding to vote out Aurora instead of you. I believe I was the first person to bring it to your attention that Aurora was planning on flipping the votes, and it was because of my quick decision to do that that we were able to rally up a resistance. It was because of that decision in the game that I was able to cement myself in the relationships with the people I most wanted to go to the end with - Gillian, Susie, Charlie, and you. Had I not made that decision, I do not see my game lasting nearly this long.

My biggest regret in the game was trying to vote you out before the swap. Well, I don’t regret the vote per se, but the fact that it was hasty and not well-executed. It gave the impression that I was not a loyal person, and was an extra hurdle for me to overcome. It also placed a big target on my back, as I appeared to be part of the dangerous Aurora + Lauren trio and nobody wanted all three of us to make it to merge. If I had known for sure that you all were really voting Jac, and that Jac wouldn’t play an idol, it would have been a different story and I would not have this particular regret to live with because I would have voted with you. It was just a bad read of the situation all around.

2) Another perception since coming to ponderosa is that I ran the game and our alliance of MILFs. Explain why this is/is not the case from your angle and your reasoning to work with me after knowing I was a threat.

There are a million reasons why I worked with you, the biggest being that I truly trusted you. You made me feel comfortable giving you game information, because you gave me game information in return. I think that that was the magic of your social game--giving people the right information, in enough quantities that they would be willing to give you information back. There is no denying that you had a large hand in running the game and our alliance, as evidenced by the fact that I would come to you for advice about game strategy regularly. However, as much as I needed you, you also needed me. We were like a pair of gears, taking information from around the tribe and putting it together until we were able to form a cohesive and effective strategy. With only one gear, you would have missed the full picture. Multiple times I was able to warn you that people--Matty, Ron, Aurora, Lauren--were coming after you, and because of that timely information we were able to avoid it. Similarly, you told me when people were talking about voting me out, and kept me updated on things that happened after I would go to bed at night. You were an incredible player in your own right, but I strongly believe our relationship had a symbiosis to it that benefitted both of our games to the point where neither of us would have gotten as far without the other. I knew you would always win against me in the final 3, but I also knew that you would always be a much bigger target than me, so I was okay playing second fiddle to you.
Thank you for your answers, Michelle! Good luck! :kiss:
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