[Jeff Probst]

This is Lauren's Final Tribal Council Thread.

All other Jurors should remain in their own threads. Final 3, remember... this is not for you to address each other, but to talk to Lauren. In-fighting amongst the Final 3 should be reserved for the Live Final Tribal Council on Sunday.

Lauren, you have until Saturday at 8c/9e to post your statements/questions to the Final 3. Remember not to take up too much of their time as they have 9 other jurors to get to. Please no listing or questions requiring novels for answers. You should post all of your statements/questions in your opening post in this thread. There is a live Final Council on Sunday where you will get to address everyone live about the statements they have made as well as ask follow ups.

[Lauren]

Hey everyone! So first off congrats on making the final 3. You guys worked really hard to get here and that’s something to be proud of. That being said, my vote is still undecided and it’s going to be largely based on your responses to me and my fellow jurors. So with that I’m just going to jump right in on my questions for you all:

Michelle:
Out of everyone of the final 3 I was the closest with you and I wanted to give you your own congratulations on making it here. During the game I had an idea of what your social game was like but upon reaching Ponderosa I learned from some of the other jurors there was a large part of your game that I was completely unaware of. So this leads to my questions.

1. I know you had relationships with pretty much everyone in the game so your social game isn’t in question. What I’m curious about is more of your strategic side. Once you had those relationships how did you leverage them? How’d you manipulate others on the tribe to ensure that what was happening was exactly what you wanted/needed for your game?
2. One thing I noticed about you while you played was that you were very hesitant to lie. When it came time for you to vote out someone very close to me (Aurora) and my vote out instead of lying to me up until tribal you’d get very quiet and say almost nothing. Pretty much everyone else in the game didn’t have a problem with lying lol so my second question to you is: was this part of your strategy and if so could you explain how?

Charlie:

You made it to the end AND won 3 back-to-back immunities, way to go! You deserve some mimosas my dude lol. But I just have one question for you since it’s a long one.

1. Through the game, the general consensus about you was that you were playing the middle but essentially just an extra vote for Michelle/Gillian. In your opening speech you reference decisions being yours and you being to one to orchestrate moves such as the Devens vote. Why did you not take credit for them in the game? Whenever I talked to you, you never even alluded to having any sort of power. Which kept you under the radar in the game but from my perspective now I don’t really seem you as having made any moves. Can you give me one example of a move that was completely you that you and why exactly you let other’s take the credit for it?

Gillian:

Alright so I know we really didn’t see eye to eye in the game and reading your opening statement and some of your answers it seems like you still have some anger or annoyance towards me. I just wanted to let you know upfront that for me everything that happened in the game was part of the game and I really don’t (and never did) harbor any ill feelings towards you. Now having addressed that, I have two questions for you.

1. You stuck tight to Michelle and Charlie throughout the game even though the general consensus was that you wouldn’t be able to beat them. Did you ever think that was a possibility or were you confident that should you go to the end with them you’d be able to win?
2. This one is a little more specific to me. There were multiple times in the game you would come to me angry after votes and kind of go off on how I did nothing but flip, was dooming all the women, lying to you etc. After the Reem vote you even went so far as to ask me how Eric’s dick tasted and in your opening speech made it clear you really were not my biggest fan. I don’t have bad feelings towards you, however, in the social aspect, I feel that Michelle and Charlie got the edge just based on their relationships with me vs. yours. Can you give me a reason why, even with me feeling they had a much better social game, you would deserve to have my vote more than them?

Thanks so much everybody and congratulations again. Good luck!

[Gillian]

Hey everyone! So first off congrats on making the final 3. You guys worked really hard to get here and that’s something to be proud of. That being said, my vote is still undecided and it’s going to be largely based on your responses to me and my fellow jurors. So with that I’m just going to jump right in on my questions for you all:

Gillian:

Alright so I know we really didn’t see eye to eye in the game and reading your opening statement and some of your answers it seems like you still have some anger or annoyance towards me. I just wanted to let you know upfront that for me everything that happened in the game was part of the game and I really don’t (and never did) harbor any ill feelings towards you. Now having addressed that, I have two questions for you.

1. You stuck tight to Michelle and Charlie throughout the game even though the general consensus was that you wouldn’t be able to beat them. Did you ever think that was a possibility or were you confident that should you go to the end with them you’d be able to win?

what consensus was that? i would like to know? I think i pretty a pretty damn good game and worked my ass off to get here!!!! u fail to see what i did as i have answered so many times now!!! and i stuck with charlie and michelle as i am a loyal person!!!!!!!!!!!! and that is what loyal people do!!!! oh but u dont know about that!!! but i feel like i can beat michelle and charlie!!! I was not as flashy as michelle!! but i still played a damn good game!! and i had more to overcome than either of those 2!!! i had to deal with so much shit! and i honestly thought about voting michelle out but not charlie!!! just wasnt really ever in the cards!!! I am not a backstabbing bitch and i wont vote out my allies!!! so as i may have said this is my first time doing this well that was a down right lie!!! i have played many a gams!! and my loyalty is never questioned!!! as that is something i will always have!!! But when u do me dirty ill get u back!!!

2. This one is a little more specific to me. There were multiple times in the game you would come to me angry after votes and kind of go off on how I did nothing but flip, was dooming all the women, lying to you etc. After the Reem vote you even went so far as to ask me how Eric’s dick tasted and in your opening speech made it clear you really were not my biggest fan. I don’t have bad feelings towards you, however, in the social aspect, I feel that Michelle and Charlie got the edge just based on their relationships with me vs. yours. Can you give me a reason why, even with me feeling they had a much better social game, you would deserve to have my vote more than them?

there were 2 times i came to u one was susie and the other was reem and thats because u lied to me about vote and u had been that way since atlasova and the jac vote. I found no use for u at that point!! I had no reason to think u were ever gonna be on my side. but when u claim u were left out of a vote i call bs!!! and then pretend to be sweet!! i was over u a long time ago and im not gonna sit here and lie and sugar coat for your vote as it clear who you are voting!!! and these questions are underhanded. My social game was pretty good. i was not on the wrong side of the vote but 2x!! so if i lacked a social game tell me why i was in the majority so much? the votes i wasnt were when they were my 2 closest allys. but ebe=ven then reem had mentioned she was scared and which meant she was getting votes!!! but everyone was on the eric train for so long and i wanted him out bad!!! so yes when u lied about voting him i was mad!!! at that point i said done. I was out for eric and then u were next. ask randy!! I told him after eric was gone i wanted u out next!! ask ron!! ask anyone!! I was not gonna let my allies go down and not be avenged!!! I knew who the biggest threats were!!! and i needed them gone!! perhaps chris was not as big a threat but he was gonna have the lock votes that eric did!!! so i couldnt have that!!! U think they had a better social game cause they were nicer. Well as i said im not gonna sugarcoat shit. If i got a problem im gonna let u know!!! and u were the one i was having issues with as u had been on my bad side for quite some time and never really tried to make anything right!!!

Thanks so much everybody and congratulations again. Good luck!

[Lauren]

Hey everyone! So first off congrats on making the final 3. You guys worked really hard to get here and that’s something to be proud of. That being said, my vote is still undecided and it’s going to be largely based on your responses to me and my fellow jurors. So with that I’m just going to jump right in on my questions for you all:

Gillian:

Alright so I know we really didn’t see eye to eye in the game and reading your opening statement and some of your answers it seems like you still have some anger or annoyance towards me. I just wanted to let you know upfront that for me everything that happened in the game was part of the game and I really don’t (and never did) harbor any ill feelings towards you. Now having addressed that, I have two questions for you.

1. You stuck tight to Michelle and Charlie throughout the game even though the general consensus was that you wouldn’t be able to beat them. Did you ever think that was a possibility or were you confident that should you go to the end with them you’d be able to win?

what consensus was that? i would like to know? I think i pretty a pretty damn good game and worked my ass off to get here!!!! u fail to see what i did as i have answered so many times now!!! and i stuck with charlie and michelle as i am a loyal person!!!!!!!!!!!! and that is what loyal people do!!!! oh but u dont know about that!!! but i feel like i can beat michelle and charlie!!! I was not as flashy as michelle!! but i still played a damn good game!! and i had more to overcome than either of those 2!!! i had to deal with so much shit! and i honestly thought about voting michelle out but not charlie!!! just wasnt really ever in the cards!!! I am not a backstabbing bitch and i wont vote out my allies!!! so as i may have said this is my first time doing this well that was a down right lie!!! i have played many a gams!! and my loyalty is never questioned!!! as that is something i will always have!!! But when u do me dirty ill get u back!!!

2. This one is a little more specific to me. There were multiple times in the game you would come to me angry after votes and kind of go off on how I did nothing but flip, was dooming all the women, lying to you etc. After the Reem vote you even went so far as to ask me how Eric’s dick tasted and in your opening speech made it clear you really were not my biggest fan. I don’t have bad feelings towards you, however, in the social aspect, I feel that Michelle and Charlie got the edge just based on their relationships with me vs. yours. Can you give me a reason why, even with me feeling they had a much better social game, you would deserve to have my vote more than them?

there were 2 times i came to u one was susie and the other was reem and thats because u lied to me about vote and u had been that way since atlasova and the jac vote. I found no use for u at that point!! I had no reason to think u were ever gonna be on my side. but when u claim u were left out of a vote i call bs!!! and then pretend to be sweet!! i was over u a long time ago and im not gonna sit here and lie and sugar coat for your vote as it clear who you are voting!!! and these questions are underhanded. My social game was pretty good. i was not on the wrong side of the vote but 2x!! so if i lacked a social game tell me why i was in the majority so much? the votes i wasnt were when they were my 2 closest allys. but ebe=ven then reem had mentioned she was scared and which meant she was getting votes!!! but everyone was on the eric train for so long and i wanted him out bad!!! so yes when u lied about voting him i was mad!!! at that point i said done. I was out for eric and then u were next. ask randy!! I told him after eric was gone i wanted u out next!! ask ron!! ask anyone!! I was not gonna let my allies go down and not be avenged!!! I knew who the biggest threats were!!! and i needed them gone!! perhaps chris was not as big a threat but he was gonna have the lock votes that eric did!!! so i couldnt have that!!! U think they had a better social game cause they were nicer. Well as i said im not gonna sugarcoat shit. If i got a problem im gonna let u know!!! and u were the one i was having issues with as u had been on my bad side for quite some time and never really tried to make anything right!!!

Thanks so much everybody and congratulations again. Good luck!

Your wish is my command then. Thanks for the answer.

[Gillian]

Hey everyone! So first off congrats on making the final 3. You guys worked really hard to get here and that’s something to be proud of. That being said, my vote is still undecided and it’s going to be largely based on your responses to me and my fellow jurors. So with that I’m just going to jump right in on my questions for you all:

Gillian:

Alright so I know we really didn’t see eye to eye in the game and reading your opening statement and some of your answers it seems like you still have some anger or annoyance towards me. I just wanted to let you know upfront that for me everything that happened in the game was part of the game and I really don’t (and never did) harbor any ill feelings towards you. Now having addressed that, I have two questions for you.

1. You stuck tight to Michelle and Charlie throughout the game even though the general consensus was that you wouldn’t be able to beat them. Did you ever think that was a possibility or were you confident that should you go to the end with them you’d be able to win?

what consensus was that? i would like to know? I think i pretty a pretty damn good game and worked my ass off to get here!!!! u fail to see what i did as i have answered so many times now!!! and i stuck with charlie and michelle as i am a loyal person!!!!!!!!!!!! and that is what loyal people do!!!! oh but u dont know about that!!! but i feel like i can beat michelle and charlie!!! I was not as flashy as michelle!! but i still played a damn good game!! and i had more to overcome than either of those 2!!! i had to deal with so much shit! and i honestly thought about voting michelle out but not charlie!!! just wasnt really ever in the cards!!! I am not a backstabbing bitch and i wont vote out my allies!!! so as i may have said this is my first time doing this well that was a down right lie!!! i have played many a gams!! and my loyalty is never questioned!!! as that is something i will always have!!! But when u do me dirty ill get u back!!!

2. This one is a little more specific to me. There were multiple times in the game you would come to me angry after votes and kind of go off on how I did nothing but flip, was dooming all the women, lying to you etc. After the Reem vote you even went so far as to ask me how Eric’s dick tasted and in your opening speech made it clear you really were not my biggest fan. I don’t have bad feelings towards you, however, in the social aspect, I feel that Michelle and Charlie got the edge just based on their relationships with me vs. yours. Can you give me a reason why, even with me feeling they had a much better social game, you would deserve to have my vote more than them?

there were 2 times i came to u one was susie and the other was reem and thats because u lied to me about vote and u had been that way since atlasova and the jac vote. I found no use for u at that point!! I had no reason to think u were ever gonna be on my side. but when u claim u were left out of a vote i call bs!!! and then pretend to be sweet!! i was over u a long time ago and im not gonna sit here and lie and sugar coat for your vote as it clear who you are voting!!! and these questions are underhanded. My social game was pretty good. i was not on the wrong side of the vote but 2x!! so if i lacked a social game tell me why i was in the majority so much? the votes i wasnt were when they were my 2 closest allys. but ebe=ven then reem had mentioned she was scared and which meant she was getting votes!!! but everyone was on the eric train for so long and i wanted him out bad!!! so yes when u lied about voting him i was mad!!! at that point i said done. I was out for eric and then u were next. ask randy!! I told him after eric was gone i wanted u out next!! ask ron!! ask anyone!! I was not gonna let my allies go down and not be avenged!!! I knew who the biggest threats were!!! and i needed them gone!! perhaps chris was not as big a threat but he was gonna have the lock votes that eric did!!! so i couldnt have that!!! U think they had a better social game cause they were nicer. Well as i said im not gonna sugarcoat shit. If i got a problem im gonna let u know!!! and u were the one i was having issues with as u had been on my bad side for quite some time and never really tried to make anything right!!!

Thanks so much everybody and congratulations again. Good luck!

also i tried to be sweet to everyone evem u when i was pissed at u and though there were a few times i lit it to u i still tried to joke with u and have fun!!! But everyone has brought the bitch out now!!! everyone wants to try to claim shit now!!! evetune now wants to say shit that happened that i wasnt aware of. Well sweet granny gillian is gone and Bad BItch Gillian is here!!! i wear my heart on my sleeve and i think most of u can attest to that!!! I dont like when people are underhanded and snakes!!! I especially dont like my moral compus being questioned!! But when u say congrats on to all 3 u all played hard and then ask me questions like u did that is like a slap in the fast!!

[Gillian]

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[Michelle]

Lauren, I am so sorry that we had to part ways in the game. On a personal level, I would much rather be sitting next to you and Charlie in the final three. But on a game level, let’s be real, you would have beaten both of us. You are one of the sweetest people on this season, and out of everyone here I felt I had the most in common with you, strategy wise.

1- One piece of strategy that I haven’t talked about in any of my responses so far and want to highlight, is my use of copy and pasted chat logs to corroborate my claims to other people. Reem and I both used this method extensively, and I think, to great effect. It’s much harder to doubt what someone is saying when you can see them saying it in their own wording. I never full-on fabricated chat logs, though I was often careful to edit out things that would have incriminated me, had I sent them. Sharing chat logs is why I trusted Reem so much, and why we were both able to stay so on top of what people were saying. Taking both in and out of context chat logs and using them to promote my own agenda helped me especially with the Matty vote, and were, I think, the final nails in his coffin (nails called Randy and Chris). We also used them in the Wardog and Marcus votes, as they were not being nearly as careful as they should have been with what they were saying to me and to Reem. They were pretty much giving us the step-by-step guides to their own eliminations.

2- I tried not to lie if I could help it, mainly because I hate to be lied to. I think that it is generally better to be honest, and I tried to always be honest, if not before, at least after votes happened. There were some times when I accidentally lied. For instance, Randy getting voted out was a last minute decision by Charlie, and I had promised him earlier in the day that it wasn’t going to be him. I felt really bad about that, but there was nothing I could do about it at that point. Not talking to you before the Aurora vote was not intentional, actually--I was doing so much last second organizing with Reem and others whose votes I was coveting that I was focusing on those conversations. I felt worse about lying to Aurora than about lying to you and Randy before your eliminations, though, because both you and Randy had lied to me before, while Aurora hadn’t.

Thank you for your questions, and I can’t wait to get to meet you after all this is over!

[Charlie]

Charlie:

You made it to the end AND won 3 back-to-back immunities, way to go! You deserve some mimosas my dude lol. But I just have one question for you since it’s a long one.

1. Through the game, the general consensus about you was that you were playing the middle but essentially just an extra vote for Michelle/Gillian. In your opening speech you reference decisions being yours and you being to one to orchestrate moves such as the Devens vote. Why did you not take credit for them in the game? Whenever I talked to you, you never even alluded to having any sort of power. Which kept you under the radar in the game but from my perspective now I don’t really seem you as having made any moves. Can you give me one example of a move that was completely you that you and why exactly you let other’s take the credit for it?

Thank you Lauren. I appreciate this question. I answered for what I would change in this game in Reem's questions that I would have taken ownership of the moves I made during the game. I thought I was at very high risk of getting exposed in lies at all times and that it was necessary to stay under the radar to not claim ownership of moves. One of the key reasons I felt I couldn't take Ron to the end is because he was one of the people that I did this with displacing my credit. I gave others credit so that if the power shifted and the groups I was working with were turned on I would not be the one targeted on the flipped vote. This strategy was successful at getting me to the end but has hurt my chances here. I think that getting no votes and avoiding the target is still a strong aspect of the game and I hope that the moves I did make are enough to achieve a winning balance.

Devens was my move as I have explained in several responses. It was seen as taking out a harmless target by others but was part of my agenda to take out the immunity threats and people who were not in an alliance with me to set me up for the best endgame. Eric was someone I had painted a huge target on, I had exaggerated interactions with him and my feelings against him to ensure that another challenge threat was walking out the door. When people came to me saying he had no power and there were better votes I painstakingly explained why he actually was the biggest threat and had to go. Your vote Lauren almost got flipped by Randy onto Ron but I would have never taken you on when Ron had 0 immunity wins and an alliance with me and I made that clear. Randy's vote was my decision that I pushed openly stating that if he went to final 4 he would win immunity take away my spot and so he had to go. I didn't even try not to make that one about me. Chris I was the literal swing vote in the most pseudo-dramatic fashion and I made the cut that I had been waiting to since day one and took out the loveable underdog to play against people's whose games were more similar to mine.

My endgame was definitely where I came alive as a player although I think the subtler moves I made in the beginning of the game to keep eyes off of me allowed for me to achieve a strong finish.

Thanks Lauren. It would be beautiful if one day we drank a mimosa together.

[Lauren]

Thank you guys so much for your answers, they really help a lot!